Ugly Sweaty Men Become CEOs all the Time. Ugly Sweaty Women Don't.

Inga Beale was appointed CEO of Lloyd's of London in 2014 becoming the first woman to lead the insurance market and the first openly bisexual woman to top the Financial Times list of influential LGBT+ executives.

The public artist Martin Firrell uses language in public space to stimulate debate and promote change with the aim of making the world more humane.

In conversation, Beale and Firrell reflect on the different ways women and men are judged, the relationship between gender and power, and the continuing challenge of inequality in the work place.

Firrell contrasts the contemporary views of Inga Beale with the writing of Olympe de Gouges, the French women's rights activist who demanded equality for women during the French revolution.

This publication is part of socialart.work, a mass public art project by Martin Firrell calling for greater social justice. It includes digital posters, publications and events supported in 2018-19 by leading out of home media company Clear Channel UK. A complete catalogue of works, commentaries and further reading can be found at www.socialart.work.